Saturday, May 3, 2025

What does it mean that Jesus Christ is our advocate?

Recently I was selected to serve on a jury for a criminal trial for a murder that happened in my home town. The case was pretty cut and dry. The defendant was guilty of the crime, even his defense attorney admitted so. Her job, then, was to convince us to convict him of a lesser charge, one that would indicate he was less responsible, less reprehensible, less to blame. She tried her best and was faithful to her task, but at the end of the day, she was trying to defend someone who was indefensible. She proved inadequate because she had an impossible goal. Facts were facts. 


As I reflected on this trial,  I thought about the places in the Bible where Satan is shown to be our accuser. “Look at Job, sitting over there in his rich house with all his kids and cows. He doesn’t really love God. Why wouldn’t someone be ‘righteous’ who’d never suffered a day in his life.” “David’s over here getting one of his best friends’ wife pregnant and then having him killed to cover it up.” “Do you see Saul—literally holding Stephen’s clothes while his cronies stone him to death? Pathetic.” “Peter wouldn’t even stay awake with you at Gethsemane, and now he’s telling that little servant girl he doesn’t even know you.  Some rock.” And he’s right. They are indefensible. Every one of them. Everyone one of us. Facts are facts. The prosecution rests. 


And yet somehow Job knew that his redeemer lives, and that he will one day see God. David boldly asked to be delivered from bloodguilt. Paul preached of the mercy he had received, and Peter rejoiced in the salvation of his soul. 


So how did they and how do we get out of it?   Who’s going to stand up to defend the indefensible?  Our guilt is obvious. The evidence of what we’ve done is right here on our swollen and bloody fists. The law has been given, our guilt is proven, and the wages of sin is death.


To even ask how to get out of it seems like a bad question. Is that what we really want? For people to do bad things with no repercussions? What if someone stepped in and said “I’ll take the penalty.” Would that solve the problem? Is the end goal of justice simply for “someone to pay”? From the defendants position, the answer to those questions could be yes, perhaps. Maybe even from the victim’s position if the crime were robbery. But murder? Abuse? Lying? Neglect? Somehow, someone else paying for those crimes doesn’t satisfy. Why is that? Maybe because something is still wrong even after any penalty has been paid, regardless of who pays it.  Some crimes can’t be undone. It seems like something more is needed. 


As I thought about the trial I’d just experienced, it was the inadequacy of the defense attorney that arrested my attention and caused me to reflect on Jesus as our advocate. 


What happened through Jesus’ life, death, and ascension and continues today through his intercession with the Father and advocacy through the Holy Spirit is more than cosmic ticket fixing or bail posting. Because neither of those things actually remove guilt and neither of them get perpetrators off the streets. 


So what is actually going on with Christ as our advocate? Why does he succeed where she failed, since we are all guilty as charged?


When Jesus died on the cross, he indeed paid the penalty for our sin. Isaiah foretells that Jesus

was pierced for our transgressions;

he was crushed for our iniquities;

upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,


But it is his next thought that I think holds the key—


and with his wounds we are healed. 


Not simply set free, let off the hook, but healed. What was wrong with us — that we were by nature liars, cheats, immoral, abusive, self-absorbed, murderers—isn’t just paid for, but healed. 


And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.


If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. 


I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live. The life I live in the body I live through faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me. 


You must be born again. 


So when Jesus stands before the Father, as my advocate, he isn’t simply saying “I paid her debt” even though that fact is wonderfully and irrevocably true. He’s also saying, “She died with me, and the person standing here at my side before You is no longer what she was. In addition to her debt being paid, she has been healed.” 


How do we know we’ve been healed? We are abiding in Christ. We keep his word and we walk as he walked.


My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.


For our sake he made him who knew no sin to be sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. 


All I Have is Christ

Lyrics (c) Keith and Kristyn Getty


I once was lost in darkest night

Yet thought I knew the way

The sin that promised joy and life

Had led me to the grave

I had no hope that you would own

A rebel to your will

And if you had not loved me first

I would refuse you still


But as I ran my hell-bound race

Indifferent to the cost

You looked upon my helpless state

And led me to the cross

And I beheld God's love displayed

You suffered in my place

You bore the wrath reserved for me

Now all I know is grace


Now, Lord, I would be yours alone

And live so all might see

The strength to follow your commands

Could never come from me

Oh Father, use my ransomed life

In any way you choose

And let my song forever be

My only boast is you


Hallelujah, All I have is Christ

Hallelujah, Jesus is my life


Sunday, January 28, 2024

Sometimes it all comes together

The Bible, to use a southern term, is something else. You can read something dozens of times and then one day you read it or hear it for the 73rd time and you put it with something else you've heard recently and it's like someone turns the sun on and what once was sort of fuzzy becomes so brilliantly illuminated that wonder just washes over you. 

Today I had one of those experiences. I'll try to explain. 

Right now I'm sort of all over the place with my Bible intake. For my personal reading, I'm doing a Bible-in-a-year reading plan that so far in January has had me in Geneses, Mark, Exodus, Psalms, and Proverbs. For my ladies Bible study group we have been going through Hebrews for the last several months. While I wash dishes and fold laundry, I listen to a podcast which most recently has been in Genesis. Our church is in 1 Peter on Sunday mornings and Proverbs in Sunday School. On Wednesdays my friend and I are listening to a Bible study on Daniel.  So sort of a smorgasbord of genres, time periods, and goings on: a Bible Buffet. Sometimes it can feel a little unrelated. But at other times, it can all come together beautifully. 

In my Hebrew's study, we have recently been in the later chapters where the Author-of-Hebrews talks about how Jesus, as our great and better priest

did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Being so far removed, in 2024 Mississippi, from the levitical, sacrificial system of the Old Testament, this can be hard to understand on a "oh I totally get that" level.  I understand what he's saying, but it doesn't always stir my heart. 

In my daily personal reading I'm a little over halfway through Exodus. Exodus is part excitement, part not. I'm in the part not section of "instructions for the building of the tabernacle." Like the lists of names and numbers, this can be an easy section to skip or scan over. Do I really need to know how many cubits the curtains were? Last night, instead of reading it myself, I let Mr. Bible App man read to me all about making the priestly garments.  

Ephod...tunic....robe...

yep, check, mmm hmm. 

Breastpiece....gold rings....blue yarn...

Why so detailed?

Four rows of precious stones...jacinth...amethyst...gold filigree...

Sounds pretty.  

        Linen undergarments....Aaron and his sons....don't incur guilt and die...

Alright, great. When are we going to get back to the golden calf and water from the rock? 


And then it hits me, today, in the middle of the third hymn.

Before the throne of God above, we have a strong and perfect plea. A great high priest whose name is love, who ever lives and pleads for me.

Sounds like what we've been studying in Hebrews. 

he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercessions for them.

Then

My name is written on his hands my name is graven on his heart. 

Wait, what? 

So Aaron shall bear the names of the sons of Israel in the breastpiece of judgment on his heart, when he goes into the Holy Place, to bring them to regular remembrance before the Lord. And in the breastpiece of judgment you shall put the Urim and the Thummim, and they shall be on Aaron's heart, when he goes in before the LORD. Thus Aaron shall bear the judgment of the people of Israel on his heart before the LORD regularly.  

The breastpiece, the onyx and amethyst and jacinth stones with the names of the Sons of Israel, graven on them, worn over Aaron's heart. My name, graven on Jesus' heart. So they would not incur guilt and die. So that I would not incur guilt and die. 

I know that while in heaven he stands, no tongue can bid me thence depart

 for

by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified. 


Wow.



Before the Throne of God Above
Lyrics (c) Sovereign Grace Worship

Before the throne of God above
I have a strong and perfect plea
A great High Priest whose name is love
Who ever lives and pleads for me
My name is graven on His hands
My name is written on His heart
I know that while in heav'n He stands
No tongue can bid me thence depart

When Satan tempts me to despair
And tells me of the guilt within
Upward I look and see Him there
Who made an end to all my sin
Because the sinless Savior died
My sinful soul is counted free
For God the Just is satisfied
To look on Him and pardon me

Behold Him there, the risen Lamb
My perfect, spotless Righteousness
The great unchangeable I Am
The King of glory and of grace
One with Himself, I cannot die
My soul is purchased by His blood
My life is hid with Christ on high
With Christ my Savior and my God

 

Monday, January 1, 2024

Abraham and the Birds of Prey

 Today my Bible reading was in Genesis 15-17 where God is confirming his covenant with Abram. Gen 15:11 stood out to me today when the birds of prey came down on the splayed sacrifice carcasses and Abram drove them away. The help note says this is symbolic of Abraham defending his promised inheritance against foreign attackers. Yesterday the sermon at my church was on Hosea 4:1-6 where God is speaking against the priests who have not done their job. Hosea 4:3 says the birds of the heavens and the beasts of the fields are taken away. Is the same thing going on here? They’re being taken away because the priests aren’t driving away the birds of prey as Abram had? They had not defended the promised inheritance from either foreign influence or indwelling sin and the result was now no faithfulness or steadfast love or knowledge of God in the land (Hos 4:1). 

How like Abraham (and unlike the priests in Hosea’s time) am I to be driving away the birds of prey? Away from myself and away from my children and those in my care? I must know the Lord and make him known. Thanks be to God for our great High Priest and Good Shepherd who never fails. May I as part of the Royal Priesthood proclaim the excellencies of him who called me out of darkness into his marvelous light (1 Pet 2:9).  

Thursday, December 28, 2023

Maybe starting back?

 After a long long hiatus, I'm thinking about starting this back up again.  Sometimes I get to thinking about stuff and feel like it would help to just write it down, even though no one will likely see it. So maybe I will, maybe I won't.  We'll see. 

Thursday, October 29, 2015

My Thoughts on Letting Our Children Mock the Devil

My original post on the subject of Halloween and can be read here. This is kind of a follow-up.

The blog posts and articles one can read on the subject of the Christian and Halloween are seemingly endless.  There is one opinion on the subject that I have found fascinating and puzzling.  Adherents to this opinion may say something like this:

"We let our children celebrate Halloween, because what we are showing by dressing up as ghouls and goblins is that this is a way we can mock the devil, show him that we aren't afraid of him or evil.   Death is longer scary because Christ has been victorious over the grave and the devil is going DOWN."

Interestingly enough, it seems like these are the same articles which are linked to by those, in other posts, in which they claim "Now we would never let our children dress up as anything scary" and "we don't get into all the gravestone's and skeletons in the yard and all that spooky stuff".

So I'm not really sure which it is: a) we dress up as scary things to mock the devil and scariness or b)we don't dress up as scary things because it's, well, scary

But in regard to the idea that Halloween was originally a Christian holiday, begun in times past with the purpose of dressing up in costumes to jeer at the devil and tell him he doesn't scare us (not sure where the trick-or-treating comes into this theory), here are my thoughts.

Many of the articles on Christian Halloween cite two quotes from Martin Luther and Thomas More by C.S. Lewis at the introduction to his famous work The Screwtape Letters.  The quotes are,

"The best way to drive out the devil, if he will not yield to texts of Scripture, is to jeer and flout him, for he cannot bear scorn." -Martin Luther

and

"The devil…the prowde spirite…cannot endure to be mocked." -Thomas More

However, the context of these quotes was not of children dressing up like devils and jeering at the devil.  Martin Luther was beleaguered in his life by continuous reflection on and overwhelming guilt over his sins. This is one reason he wanted to be a monk, and the main reason that led to his pilgrimage to Rome and to his famous stand at the Diet of Worms where he would not deny, among other things, that forgivingness is a free gift of grace and cannot be earned or bought.

Later in life, Luther was known for his wit and cheerfulness and at one of his many famous "Table Talks" he explained one way he would drive away the Devil when he was so intensely harassed about his sin.  One biographer provides the context of the above quote:

Doctor Luther said that when he couldn’t get rid of the devil with Holy Scripture and serious language, he had often expelled him by tart remarks and crazy jokes. And when he [the devil] tried to burden his [Luther’s] conscience, he would often tell him, “Devil, I’ve been doing it in my pants, have you smelled it and added this to your list of all my sins?” Again, he told him, “My dear Devil, should the Blood of Christ shed for my sins not have been enough, please do pray to God for me.” ... For he is a proud spirit, and cannot bear scorn.

Similarly, More is quoted from his A Dialogue of Comfort against Tribulacion, in which he says, particularly in explaining how to handle the "pestilent fancies" of suicide,

Some folk have been clearly rid of such pestilent fancies with very full contempt of them, making a cross upon their hearts and bidding the devil avaunt. And sometimes they laugh him to scorn too, and then turn their mind unto some other matter. And when the devil hath seen that they have set so little by him, after certain essays, made in such times as he thought most fitting, he hath given that temptation quite over. And this he doth not only because the proud spirit cannot endure to be mocked, but also lest, with much tempting the man to the sin to which he could not in conclusion bring him, he should much increase his merit.

So, putting those two quotes in context, I fail to see how they are a benediction on the practice of costumed tots celebrating Halloween, however they may celebrate it.

On the other hand, in the little book of Jude, wedged between the letters of John and the Revelation, we have Jude's interesting comment regarding the spiritual authority to refute the devil.

But when the archangel, Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you." -verse 9

In explaining this verse, Matthew Henry says

It is said, he durst not bring, etc. Why durst he not? Not that he was afraid of the devil, but he believed God would be offended if, in such a dispute, he went that way to work; he thought it below him to engage in a trial of skill with the great enemy of God and man which of them should out-scold or out-rail the other: a memorandum to all disputants, never to bring railing accusations into their disputes. Truth needs no supports from falsehood or scurrility…He would not stand disputing with the devil, nor enter into a particular debate about the merits of that special cause.

So, my thoughts on that whole explanation of why Halloween is "actually" Christian: it's actually not.

Martin Luther may have gotten relief from his very real and very personal attacks on the surety of his salvation by crying out at the devil and ridiculing his claims of persisting guilt. But this tactic seems to have been utilized after he responded to these personal attacks with Scripture and not simply for the fun of jeering at Satan.

Michael the archangel refused to engage the devil with taunts or fun-making. Christ himself refuted the devil with Scripture and in the end simply said be gone Satan! If neither Christ nor his archangel taunt the devil, why should we, and why should our kids?

Wednesday, June 26, 2013

Family Management Solution (for now anyway)

Chore Time Woes

Chore time at our house usually turns into me barking orders and what's-taking-so-longs and threats of no swimming, no teevee, and no food.  So I looked through all of my favorite Pinterest and other-mommy-blog ideas and came up with one that is working so far at my house.  It's colorful enough to keep the kids interested, versatile enough to keep me interested, and cheap enough to keep hubby interested.

In addition to chore time troubles, we suffer from "CanIPlayYourPhoneItis" and while our chores were going undone, our phones batteries were draining as Angry Birds Star Wars and Littlest Pet Shop stole lots of our brain time.  So I also put together a little system to help us out with managing our technology time.

Both are included in this little Power Point that you can print off and change up to fit your own family's needs.

For Chore Time, I printed out a chart for each chore-capable child and taped it to the fridge.  Then I cut out little chore stars and glued them to circle magnets I'd bought a while back at Michaels.  Each morning (or whenever I decide it's time to dispel the tendency towards summer laziness I am too quickly passing on to my offspring) I put three or four stars on the "to-do" side of the chart and when the children finish each one, they can come move that star to the "Done" side. I try to keep it even with fun stuff (open the curtains, get the mail) and boring, time consuming stuff (clean your room, put toys away).  They can do these chores in any order they wish, as long as they get it done. All TV and promises for swimming or phone-playing are suspended until all of their chores are in the done pile. Usually it doesn't take too long.  Usually.

The benefits of this system so far have been that the kids see an end in sight for their chore time and aren't just finishing one thing and having no idea what they'll have to do after that.  And, related, it takes away the seeming-capriciousness of my task assigning.

Chirp...Tweet...Ding...Whack...Whiiiiiiine

Another problem we've been dealing with is too much asking to play on our iPhones.  Admittedly, one of the main impetii (my word) for dealing with this problem is so that I would have more time to play my iPhone.  But also, I don't want the cherubs wasting hours (I know, it's terrible) playing addicting (albeit great for hand-eye coordination) 99c apps.

Thus the second little system. Right above our new chore charts, I have put three little folders.  Each Sunday morning I put 8 tickets in each folder. These tickets are good for 30 minutes of tune-out time on an iPhone or computer.  They get 8 per week. They can use them up as quickly as they want to (within reason) but when they're gone, they're gone until the next Sunday.  Saturday night, if there are any left, they get paid 25c apiece for them.  So far, my littlest addict has averaged about 25c per week and my not-as-addicted child earns about $1.50 per week for the time she doesn't spend playing on my phone.










**I'm having trouble loading the ppt into the blog, so if you leave your email address in the comments section, I'll email it to you**



Thursday, June 6, 2013

The Bend: Slowly but surely

Every time we go to the Bend (which is almost every day now!) there is something new our wonder-workers have done. Just recently, they completed re-doing the porch and putting some final touches on the floors.
The wrought-iron porch posts and galvanized pipe railing was replaced with wood. Also, the rotting wood on the windows was replaced and primed.
These are original floors!  Just sanded, stained, and polyurethaned.



Here is the new not-scary kitchen.  It's hard to believe it's the same place I dared not enter 6 months ago.

These are mostly original cabinets.  On the left is a broom closet where the old water heater and breaker box used to be.  On the right beside the stove are the cabinets that once were above the stove where the wall used to be.  We spray- painted the old hinges black (they were antique brassish) and found these poly pulls and drawer handles at Lowe's.  They remind me of the hardware in the kitchen where I grew up.


The kitchen and bath underwent the greatest transformations.  We found this hexagonal tile at Wayfair.com and the sink and cabinet at Lowe's.  So happy with how it turned out. Buddy did an excellent job laying out the tile.  I think it keeps the look of the bath true to the house's time-period.  I love this White Raisin color from Sherwin Williams.  


Sunday, May 19, 2013

The Bend: Outside

Now that the weather has begun to dry up a little and we don't have to wear our muck boots everywhere we walk (though we do keep them handy in the back of the swagger wagon, just in case), I took some time to take a few pictures outside last week.  It was almost at sunset on a cloudy day so the lighting isn't very good.  But here are a few of the outside details.

This is that oak tree I mentioned in an earlier post.  Believe it or not, I can't seem to back off far enough from it to get it all in one picture.  This picture makes it look smaller than it is. But this is the view of it from the back yard of the house.
This is a closer-up of the outhouse.  The door has come off and is  on the ground in front.  The white box inside is the potty seat, with two holes.  Maybe that was for the ladies who never want to go alone.  :)

This is the back of the house.  It is very shady because it has entirely too many Sweet Gum trees in the yard.  The plan is to have all of the Sweet Gums cut down (anyone need any firewood?) and just leave the oaks and a few pines. Hopefully that will bring some sunshine in so we don't have green slime growing on the back of the house.

The old pump house.  I haven't ventured in here yet to see if the pump, etc. are still there. Kenneth has tentative plans to use it to store his beekeeping equipment.  Since there will be no room in the house, I think that's a swell idea.

This bloomed up in the middle of the yard a few weeks ago.  Mimi has identified it as an Amaryllis.  I have identified it as gorgeous.

Last week Papaw (Kenneth's dad) made the kids a tire swing and brought it up to hang from one of the oak branches.  It was an instant hit.  With kids and mom too.  Every yard needs a good tire swing, and this one's a winner.

Friday, May 17, 2013

The Bend: Color Wonder

I don't know who invented paint, but they were brilliant.  It is hard to believe such a simple thing can make such a huge difference.  For our paint colors, we chose a pallet in the HGTV line at Sherwin Williams.  The colors are Outerbanks, Copen Blue, White Raisin, and Creamy White.  We are so happy with how they turned out and the great (and FAST!) job the painters did.  Good work, guys!
Here is the living room painted with Outer banks.  Also, the knew ceiling fan installed by electricians Kenny and Kenneth Thomas.

Kitchen in Copen Blue with track lighting from Lowes.

The original kitchen did not have a dishwasher (gasp!) so we had to take out more cabinets to make room for one there beside the sink.  Where that little short water heater and the breaker box were, Buddy built me broom closet. They also took down the board that ran between the upper cabinets to let in more light from that window. 

They did a good job reusing and recycling the cabinetry.  This wall didn't have any lower cabinets, just the uppers that were removed. So I'm not sure where those used to be, but now they are beside where the range will be.

Yay, Pantry!!

This is the laundry room. The same laundry room that had the asbestos siding and the mildewy ceiling.  When they took down the asbestos siding, this awesome tongue-and-groove siding was behind it.

Washer/dryer hookups.

The hallway painted Outerbanks.  That hole in the ceiling is the intake for the AC system. No more window units and space heaters.  (I'm going to miss the heaters---kind of hard to cozy up to a ceiling vent).

The color in this picture looks really funny, but it's the only picture I have of the bathroom at this stage, so I'm posting it anyway.

New light fixtrures.

This is the hall bedroom with it's Outerbanks paint and ceiling fan. I apologize for not being an expert photographer.  These are all snapped with my iPhone and sometimes the lighting leaves much to be desired.  

Back bedroom.  At this point the floors had been sanded and sealed, but not completely finished.  That will wait until most of the other work is done.

Master Bedroom in Outerbanks.

Hallway looking back towards the living room.
Thanks for looking!

Thursday, May 16, 2013

The Bend: Begin Again


 Now that all the walls were down and our little house had been stripped down to its bare bones, we were able to start fresh.  I think that our sad story was really a blessing in disguise, because now the walls and ceilings are so straight and fresh and new.  Our contractor for this project is Kane Overstreet Construction.  The brawn and unbelievable talents (and patience) of his crew, especially master carpenter Buddy, are amazing.  Whenever I say, "we did" in this post, what I mean is "they did". And they have done an awesome, awesome job.


We were pleased with the decision to take out half the wall between the living room and kitchen.  It was an adventure finding appliances that would fit and our dear contractors have been so patient through our many decisions and re-decisions.  They are storing up crowns in heaven.

One decision was where to put the fridge.  The original place was on that small wall between the pantry (left) and laundry room (right).  But I didn't want the refrigerator to be stuck out into the already small kitchen.  So the second place was in that corner between the laundry room and cabinets, where the old water heater used to be.  But that would have required a New-Zealand made counter-depth refrigerator which was the ONLY one that was shallow enough and narrow enough to fit in that space. And it cost about half a zillion dollars.  The third option was in the corner cater-cornered (is that redundant?) to option 2.  But seeing as how Kenneth had moved the electrical and Carpenter Buddy had moved the ice-maker plumbing from option 1 to option 2 and back to option 1, AND because Buddy had taken down the upper cabinets to make room for a refrigerator and put them back up when we decided against option 2, I decided I better nix option 3.  So we are back to option 1, original location between the laundry and pantry.  

Another do-over was the half-wall.  The first height of the half-wall was about 4 inches lower than it is now.  We went to pick out appliances and no-one makes electric ranges with the knobs not on a really high thingy in the back.  So the oven would have come up above the wall height, so Buddy put the four inches back on top so we wouldn't have to special-order a range.

Here's Kenneth pulling up the rest of the yucky kitchen tile.  Since so many cabinets were torn down when the half-wall was made in the kitchen, I am so thankful for this little odd-closet-turned-cool-pantry.

Out with the old potty and sink, in with new wainscoting.

New walls and ceiling.

New walls and ceiling.

New closet walls and shelf.  Not sure where Kenneth will keep his clothes.